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Published Date:
22 January 2008
PUBS across the town have reported mixed fortunes since the smoking ban kicked in, in July last year.
Many have seen profits go up in smoke since punters wanting a cigarette were forced out into the cold.

Stuart Attenborough, landlord of the White Hart, on the High Street, said: "I think every pub will have suffered and everyone's profits will be down.

"Where people used to come and have three or four pints after work they just come and have one now.

"I think more people stay at home now where they can smoke and where it is cheaper.

"I think the ban should be modified so that pubs with two bars can have one smoking and one non-smoking like they do in Europe.

"This would offer people more choice and there would be something to please everybody."

Pub punters agree the ban has made a difference.

Harry Lord, 62, West Green, said: "I think a lot of people stay away or go elsewhere to socialise now. They can drink and smoke at home and it's probably cheaper. It hasn't put me off coming to the pub though.
"I think it's terrible, there should have been greater provision for smokers in the legislation."

Paul Ford, 46, from Horley, said: "I would say that since the ban business in pubs is down by half. As a non-smoker I was never that bothered by people smoking in the pub but now I can notice the different atmosphere and cleaner air I would say it's a good idea. It was a bit of a health concern when people smoked inside, the ban is a good thing for non-smokers generally."

Jerry Dawson, Tilgate, 49, said: "I don't mind the ban, I'm happy to go and smoke outside, it means I probably drink less. I wouldn't say that business has been affected because it doesn't seem any quieter. Families might enjoy the pub more because smokers go outside now."

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  • Last Updated: 23 January 2008 5:29 PM
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mandyv,

banitland 23/01/2008 20:02:31
I agree with Stuart, I Have been into a non smoking pub once since the ban, I smoke Hubby does not, although he was happy with ventilated venues before. he does not like the lost atmosphere our local is left with. I will not go out and freeze, I go out to relax, and I as I cannot have somewhere nice to go for a smoke a work, I sure as hell am not handing money over in my out of work hours.
This ban was based on lies anyway, the majority did not want an outright ban, the "enclosed" area is already outside areas too. No-one owns the air, although the all powerful antis think they do!

8th August 2006 the HSE in their document OC 255/15 article9 state
" HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to second hand smoke to the raised risk of contacting specific diseases".

Micheal Siegel, the once upon a time antis hero,instrumental in these bans in the USA, pleads for the lies and exaggeration to stop. You will find his blog on google.
These could do with some support please,
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mN-xDlsNXII Hamish Howitt Publican, his day in court

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/PublicSmokeRoom/ ends in March 2008

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/smokinglicenses/ ends in October 2008

Dave West & Harry Barnett's site, petition in there also,
http://www.smokescreen-online.co.uk./

freedom2choose.info will continue fighting the lies also, please show your support or help with our fighting fund - tolerant non-smokers and smokers alike are welcome to join us.




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mandyv,

banitland 23/01/2008 20:08:46
I would also like to ask the hospitality trade if they would support Mark Harris, who may be visiting your area, the dates and areas are in the link. I hope the crawley observer will allow this letter,
09:30 - 23 January 2008
It is predicted that as many as 5,000 pubs, clubs and bingo halls will close in the next two years because of the smoking ban that has come into force.

We are embarking on a 90-day, 1,000 pub tour to highlight the problems that our licensed trade are facing.

Twelve thousand MySpace "friends" will interact with us every step of the way.

Many people want amendments to this puritanical ban.
We are looking for pubs to visit in the Derby area, to gather feedback, good or bad, about the smoking ban.

Mark Harris,

Leicestershire,

http://www.innthecold.com
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tug f wilson,

nottingham 23/01/2008 20:18:05
Well said Mandyv, as we all know the Hospitality Industry is in the worst shape it has ever been in,a so called law based on a LIE is not a law,if Pubs/Clubs want to survive they have to take matters into their own hands,we must have freedom 2 choose,smoking/non smoking,everyone is happy and millions of smokers can have their social lives back and the pubs can fill up again,cheers,Tug.
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Rob Simpson,

UK 24/01/2008 11:57:08
I was in a pub in Scotland over Christmas. It used to be the wonderful old style pub separated into two areas; the bar and the restaurant. It had bench seating, ornate table, deep carpets, suits of armour and swords on the wall, along with a collection landscapes and period portraits.
To survive, it has had to adapt. Gone are the carpets, the armour, the painting and the furniture. It now serves food throughout and has a hardwood floor and bolted down furniture that looks like it came from Ikea. When I was inside I had the impression I was standing in some cross between McDonalds and some faceless wine bar.
That is the future of the British pub, the ones that survive anyway.
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english charlie,

suffolk 25/01/2008 11:50:58
Like mandy I used to go to the pub to relax. I used to go to pubs most days, but only go once a week now, just to stay in contact with some mates. What I cannot understand is that a smoking shelter cannot be more than 50% covered, when it is build especially for smokers.
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MoJoe,

Langley Green 30/01/2008 18:15:28
Such a shame that people who dont even live in Crawley choose to hijack this site with their pro-smoking rants. I for one am glad smoking was banned. I can go out and breathe fresh air and not come home smelling of some one else's filthy habit. That said, I dont see why there cant be pubs for smokers.
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Exocet,

09/02/2008 14:26:27
It is now Internationally recognised that second hand smoke does NOT kill so why are the Anti-Smoking organisations still telling this lie that cannot be proved.The answer is to keep themselves in a job(mainly funded by taxpayers money). Visit http://www.Innthecold.com and http://www.freedom2choose.info
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Carrie8520,

Bewbush 14/02/2008 17:28:22
Well MoJoe I DO live in Crawley!!!! And YES I am a smoker!
Although I do believe that environments such as pubs should be made a pleasurable experience for everyone, I also believe that smokers are discriminated against!! Yes I did choose to start smoking but smoking is more addictive than Heroin!! Did you know that?! And although I have a 'filthy habit' I'm sure you have at least one too!!!!!

I also agree with Charlie, why are smoking shelters not enclosed?
I go to the pub with non-smokiing friends and find that when I go outside for a smoke they follow anyway!!
So what is the big deal!!!
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a7x owns you!,

crawley 18/02/2008 11:15:54
i am over joyed about the smoking ban, i'm 17 and go to see bands all the time and there was nothing worse than stading next to someone in a small venue having smoke in your face. makes your throat dry and its just not a pleasant thing when your waiting for them to come on stage. but now its so good not smelling smoke and having stuffy air around you and just looking forward to a preformance. also not dry throat so i can scream along!!! LONG LIVE THE SMOKING BAN!
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a7x owns you!,

crawley 18/02/2008 11:16:08
i am over joyed about the smoking ban, i'm 17 and go to see bands all the time and there was nothing worse than stading next to someone in a small venue having smoke in your face. makes your throat dry and its just not a pleasant thing when your waiting for them to come on stage. but now its so good not smelling smoke and having stuffy air around you and just looking forward to a preformance. also not dry throat so i can scream along!!! LONG LIVE THE SMOKING BAN!
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